Archive for October, 2007
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007
QUESTION: Mark, I understand that the best way to find the right shaft is to go try it out and and feel how it plays but I don’t have access to the 950GH X-stiff shaft to try. So if you could give me a straight answer I would appreciate it. I’m not asking you to fit me over the computer or using the frequency # as the end all. I’ve heard that Nippon Shaft play softer to flex than say Rifle Rroject X or Dynamic Gold( different bend points and tip stiffness). I’ve hit the stiff flex shaft in a TITLEIST iron and found it to be a softer feeling shaft. I’m trying to order new irons w/ these shafts but I don’t want the shaft to play too soft. I’m pretty sure the X-flex will be just fine. Just looking for a little input. A lot of other shaft companies list swing speed or carry distance as a starting point to find the right flex. From there you can see what feels best or gets you the best ball flight and consistency. Thanks, Mike
ANSWER: Mike,
Your questions and your frustration at not receiving a direct answer to your questions tell me that you are like most every golfer. Every golfer that writes in, is looking for some kind of help in determining the ideal shaft to play with.
Unfortunately, our industry has chosen not to provide you with an effective roadmap to find your optimal performing shaft. Instead of treating you like an intelligent adult capable of making decisions based on a knowledge base of sound concepts, our golf community has given you the most shallow, simplistic ideas almost as if you were a small child.
Intead of fitting assessment days and equipment sessions hosted by top industry professionals that are made available to you through the internet, golf magazines, the Golf Channel, etc., you are hit with branded advertising and tour usage data. (this tour usage data is great for those golfers who want to fantasize that they are a tour pro for a day…, but it still doesn’t help them find their most efficient performance).
Instead of measurement methods that discern the forces a golfer puts onto a shaft, you are given cheesy swing speed ratings.
Instead of EI Curves and meaningful shaft profiling data, you are provided with meaningless butt frequency numbers.
Yes, we have abdicated our role of providing you with solid, qualitative information in order to give you a good starting point to help find your best shaft. And I could post some nonsensical swing speed numbers or other guesstimates based on nothing but the hope to sell more golf shafts, but I choose to offer the most accurate methods of attaining the answer to the question of - which is the right shaft?
If you want the best possible chance of finding the right shaft for your game, body and swing- here’s the proven path;
First- Stop listening to golfers who have no clue. If you have “heard that Nippon Shaft plays softer to flex”, you have heard the wrong information. Our ultralite models and every other manufacturer’s ultralite models will always seem to play softer as judged by golfers who require heavier shaft weights. But for golfers who need lighter models- our shafts absolutely play true to their stated flex.
Second- You have more testing options than you think. Most of the major companies now allow you to purchase a single club or two to your desired specifications, and eventhough you are paying for the club, you now have access to you own private test session and can now make a wise investment on your new equipment set based on actual, verifiable data and interaction.
Third- Not all of our Authorized Installation Centers are highly skilled at fitting every golfer variation, but many have a world of experience to draw upon and can provide you with many of the specific answers you are searching for. If you have never had a premium, comprehensive fitting assessment, I urge you to inquire among our centers and determine if a session to determine your shaft length, shaft weight, and shaft flex is needed.
Fourth- Be careful- but find a Clubfitting Center with an ISG Trackman and the knowledge of how to interpret the data. The combination of a golfer, a machine that tracks both ball and head throughout the swing and flight, a variety of test clubs for length, weight and flex, and a competent fitter who understands the interrelationships of all of the above is the ultimate fitting/performance scenario. This combination most closely replicates what happens on the PGA Tour, and is in fact much more organized and produces results in a faster mode.
Finally, let your own common sense and experience be your guide. You have tested a 950GH S version in a Titleist club and you have a sensory experience of that combination. Incorporate that with your past and existing sets, and hit as many combinations as possible and you will find a tremndous ability to compare and contrast different shaft length/weight/flex combinations. After thousands of assessments, I have learned that all golfers have this ability.
Our industry doesn’t have a solid infrastructure of providing accurate fitting data and highly skilled fitting centers and schools, and instead has in its place- simplistic swing speed numbers and careless shaft ratings- which is a big trap that leads to poor equipment choices.
Don’t let yourself go down that road anymore. Stand up and demand quality choices for fitting, installation and technology. The reward for all your hard work is a set that plays like a dream. Best regards, Mark
Posted in Shaft Fitting, Frequently Asked, MUST READ!, NS PRO Models |
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007
QUESTION:Mark,
Thanks for the great information on the site. I have another shaft fitting
question.
I’m going to order a set of MP-57’s with Nippon Shaft 950GH shafts.
(No one has a demo or even a set for sale with these shafts to try)
I currently play PX HL 5.0’s but they have always felt a little boardy.
MY STATS:
My 5 irons SS is about 78-82 MPH (Depending on who’s measuring)
7 Iron carry is approx 150-155
HCP is 5.3
I’m a sweeper/picker of the golfball and usually do not take a divot with a club
above a 7 iron and I have a compact swing, with sometines a quick transition.
I think I’m between a R & S flex. I have heard that these shafts play softer, but
have read that you have stated that they play true to flex.
1. I’m looking for a little more height in my irons but still want accuracy. I
want to go with a Stiff but don’t want the same problem I have now which I feel I
have to swing harder to load the shaft.
2. I don’t want to get an R Flex and feel like I’m losing accuracy, but they may
give me more height in my mid and long irons.
I know this is hard to recommend but perhaps others have had the same problem
and decided to go one way or another and can share your input.
Thanks again and keep up the great work! Smobine
ANSWER: Hi Smobine,
Thanks for appreciating our information.
First- our 950 model plays very true to the stated flex- however- and this is important- IF A SHAFT IS TOO LIGHT FOR YOUR BODY AND SWING, IT WILL ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT PLAYS SOFT OR FLEXIBLE BECAUSE YOUR BODY NEVER FEELS RIGHT.
Second- be real discerning on the length. Most golfers assume they are “std” length, yet most golfers are a bit shorter, or std, or a bit longer, or often a lot longer. connect with a premium clubfitter or at least hit different length clubs.
Next- if you feel like you are inbetween flexes, you very well may be. Contact the Mizuno company and ask them to install a stiff flex so that it plays a bit softer. The Mizuno company utilizes a 950 model that requires a 38.5 raw length for their #5 iron. Ask them to install the 39.0 ‘S’ raw length into the #5 iron and the shaft will play softer and a couple of grams lighter. If your favorite manufacturer is unable or unwilling to adjust your set, contact one of our authorized installation centers for their custom installation options.
It takes a lot of work to find the optimal performing and interacting equipment set, but the search can be a lot of fun and VERY REWARDING. When you find the right set, you will have the efficiency of distance, control, solidness of hit and repeatability.
Don’t forget that the Mizuno Company also will build one or two clubs to your desired specifications. Yes, you will pay for these, but in this manner you will be able to have your own demo/test clubs built for your own private testing session.
Best regards, Mark
Posted in Shaft Fitting, NS PRO Models |
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007
QUESTION: Dear Sirs
I have a set of Mizuno MX25 with the NS PRO 950 steel shafts in regular and
are ½” longer than standard. The clubs are 2* upright, and since acquiring these
my iron play has changed dramatically instead of short fades I now have long,
high, straight ball flight- this is clearly to do mostly with the choice of the
shaft.
However, I now have to address the shaft choice for the driver, and fairway
woods and/or hybrids. What would you recommend as the ideal option to match
the irons and likely to give me a similar result?
P.S. Should my sand wedge also have the same shaft as the irons or the stiff
version of the NS Pro 950? Or is the normal wedge/stiff standard Mizuno
shaft a good enough match in the sand wedge?
Thanks, Ed
ANSWER: Hi Ed,
After 20,000 plus fitting assessments, I have learned that some general rules apply, and also that every golfer is unique and sometimes no rules apply.
I would start your search for the best fitting wood shafts by following these general guidelines-
1) Most golfers require a slightly lighter shaft weight as their clubs become progressively longer. This means that if you are having success with your iron shafts @ 95 grams, most likely you will fall into a weight range of 60 to 70 grams for your driver shaft, with your fairway wood shafts the same or slightly heavier, (60-80 grams). Most golfers have success with their hybrid shafts keeping the same weight and model as their irons, with some performing well at just a bit lighter, (in your case 80-95 grams).
2) Regarding flex, most golfers require slightly stiffer shaft flex in their woods than in their irons. I recommend that the flex in your hybrid clubs should match up with your irons.
3) There are so many factors of weight/length/flex and shaft geometry that require a golfer to have some method of live testing and interaction to determine the optimal performing shaft, but you might consider our WT Graphite Series. A place to start might be the WT6000 or 7000 in your driver, the 7000 in your fairway woods, and the 950 shaft in your hybrids.
4) Regarding your sand wedge shaft choice- most of the best wedge fitters recommend that your shaft in the sand wedge should be the same model or heavier. Also, most golfers have the most success with the shaft being slightly softer in flex.
Many of us need to enlist the aid of a fitting center or fitting consultant to help with some of the above issues. Often a specific approach versus a general “general off-the-rack” selection is more difficult to find, but pays great dividends. Please write back anytime.
For help in Europe, please visit www.cqigolf.com.
Best regards, Mark
Posted in Shaft Fitting |
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007
QUESTION: Hi, I have the latest edition of the Taylormade R7 TP
Superquad but feel that the RE-AX TP 67, Flex X
(Rombax Technology) is not stiff enough or heavy enough.
I previously had the Grafalloy Pro-launch Red in my Titleist,
which I loved. Would this shaft suit this club and if so,
what dimensions (tip size)should I be looking for? Thanks, Chris
ANSWER: Chris,
If you are looking for a similar performance in your
new driver, and you still have possession of your old
driver, I would suggest bringing both drivers in to one
of our Authorized Installation Centers and explain your
situation to them. This is a fairly easy situation to
solve since you already know of one combination that works
for you and your game.
Another option is to have a shaft model intalled that
feels heavier and stiffer to your body and swing.
For an advanced fitting assessment, hooking up with a
fitting center that utilizes an ISG TRACKMAN and fully
understands the fitting data it measures, is the ultimate
process in determining your driver needs.
Regarding your driver hosel diameter, all the TP models are
.335. Best regards, Mark
Posted in Shaft Fitting |
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
QUESTION: How about a frequency for say a std length, PING s58 6 iron in 950GH X-flex? Mike
ANSWER: Mike,
I imagine that you are asking about a shaft butt frequency measurement…, which is a very narrow view of the total playability of the shaft model. At the very minimum, by asking about a butt frequency rating, you are dismissing the value of the tip and mid geometry of a shaft, which is certainly just as important in the category of rating a shaft by flex. I believe that you are asking for a one-dimensional answer in your search to find the best performing shaft, but a single butt frequency number will not actually help you.
I know that you can easily propose this question to any of the golf forums on the net and you will receive a variety of responses from owners of a butt frequency machine. The variations are a result of the different measurement methodologies that exist with respect to the clamping method, the base of the machine, the grip material/or lack of grip, the headweight, the bore depth of the hosel, the definition of standard length?, swingweight, etc.
Finally, if you followed a system of butt frequency equalization, like the PCS system of equalizing the measurement variances of different machines, and you were able to attain an equalized rating of say 5.0 or 6.2 or 7.1., these numbers have no validity unless compared to shafts of like geometries. For example, it is possible to build our 1150GH shaft, and our 750GH shaft and our Blue Superpeening shaft model all to have the SAME butt frequency measurement on a given machine, yet the actual playing flex will be quite DIFFERENT.
How then is a golfer to know how to compare shafts? The scientists use things like the below EI curve chart. These measure the general bending properties of a shaft along its complete length. Regular golfers like ourselves use a much more accurate method- we use interactive live testing. I am sure that you would like a magic answer to your question to help you find the right shaft, but I am giving you the real news, that no such chart exists among informed minds. Best regards and keep asking questions and learning about your equipment choices. Mark
Posted in Frequently Asked, Magic Shaft Flex Chart, NS PRO Models, Crazy Ideas |
Monday, October 29th, 2007
QUESTION: Hi, I broke my 6-iron shaf on my Precept EC-603. Can I replace it by tipping and cutting down my 3-iron shaft? CLS
ANSWER: Yes, this is one option…, if you want to have a mis-matched iron set.
If you choose this option, you will then have a shaft in your 6 iron that is several grams lighter than the rest of your iron shafts, with a variant balance point, with a compromised tip section that will be prone to breakage at the tip section, and lastly, will no longer fit into your #6 iron hosel without severe alteration. Other than that you are good to go.
Your best solution is to contact one of our Authorized Installation Centers regarding proper shaft replacement. If this EC-603 Precept set is equipped with the stock shaft offering, you will need an NS PRO 950 S/R flex. Consult one of our Authorized Centers for the proper replacement.
Posted in Shaft Installation, Shaft Availability, OEM Shaft Models |
Monday, October 29th, 2007
QUESTION: Mark, Is there any ball flight difference between
Superpeening Red and the 950GH. I have demoed a Mizuno MP-60
6 iron w/ 950GH Stiff hard stepped once 297 cpm D-5 @ 38″.
I really like the feel of this club, but I am concerned that the
ball flight may be too high when installed in my MP-30.
(I do realize the MP-30 is a lower launch head) I can see
there is a slight weight difference and both are listed as
mid kick. Thanks, Bill
ANSWER: Hi Bill,
This fall I am testing most of our shaft models utilizing a
flight comparison methodology and an ISG TRACKMAN System.
We hope to have all of the data translated by this winter.
In the meantime, having played with both models, I would say
that the flight trajectory of these two models are approximately
the same. And you are correct, the MP-30 is a lower flight head
than the newer MP-60. Best regards, Mark
Posted in NS PRO Models |
Monday, October 29th, 2007
QUESTION:
What is the swing speed range or 6 iron carry distance recomended for the 950GH
x flex shaft?
Thanks, Mike
ANSWER: Hi Mike,
The optimum golfer for a 6 iron shafted with a 950GH X flex is the golfer who is able to sense and interact with the shaft weight and flex so as to consistently strike the face in the center, with a consistent trajectory, and achieve optimum carry. This methodology isn’t as specific as a swing speed number, however it is more accurate and is the only methodology used by the world’s top players and how all of us average players judge if a set performs optimally.
After conducting over 20,000+ interactive fitting sessions, it has proven difficult to pin down a swing speed range because golfers with a wide degree of variation of swing speeds have fit into the same shaft model, weight and flex.
I urge you to conduct your own live testing through the use of a fitting event, demo day, fitting cart, or by connecting with one of our installation centers. Or… you could always consult our magic flex chart by looking at the Q&A subject categories.
Best regards, Mark
Posted in Uncategorized, Frequently Asked, Magic Shaft Flex Chart, Golfer Interaction, Crazy Ideas |
Monday, October 29th, 2007
QUESTION: For years, I have used stiff flex shafts in all of my clubs. I recently
underwent a swing change in which i have shortened my swing. In looking for a
new driver, I purchased the Cleveland Hibore with a regular flex shaft. In live
testing, the regular shaft was farther and more accurate than the stiff flex. I
made the same changes to my Cleveland 3wood and Cleveland hybrid and the result
was the same….improved accuracy and added distance.
I have a set of King Cobra 3100 irons in stiff NS PRO 1030 shaft. I would like
to make the move to regular flex steel shafts. How should I do this? Should I
look for steel shafts with similar specs as the graphite shafts for my
Clevelands? Or should I just go with the NS Pro 1030 regular flex?
Thanks for your time, KH
ANSWER: Hi KH,
I think you would have a far better chance of matching an ‘R’ flex to your existing iron shafts versus somehow trying to match an iron shaft to your graphite wood shafts.
If you generally like your Cobra set, and the overall weight/feel your existing set offers, than it makes sense to choose the same shaft, only in a “regular’ flex.
If however, you don’t like the weight/feel of your Cobra set, changing to a more flexible shaft may not give you the same results that you achieved in your wood clubs.
The only definitive method to determine the optimum shaft is utilizing the same live testing you used to find the proper shaft for your wood clubs.
Best of luck, Mark
Posted in Shaft Fitting, OEM Shaft Models, Golfer Interaction |
Sunday, October 28th, 2007
QUESTION:
Hi guys, I’m just wondering about the equivalent original
model of the NS Pro 100 and the NS Pro 970 shafts offered by
Titleist in their custom options, or if there is any
difference, which is that difference. Thanks a lot, Francisco
ANSWER: Francisco,
We have had a wonderful partnership with the Titleist Company
for many years now. These latest proprietary models are offered
exclusively in Titleist irons. The NS PRO 970 is a variation of
our award-winning NS PRO 950 model. The 970 has a bit more weight
in the tip portion of the shaft allowing the custom installation
in their iron line-up yet maintaining a traditional swingweight.
The NS PRO 970 is in the same weight range, 95-100 grams, as our
950 model. The NS PRO 100 is slightly heavier, weighing in at the
112 gram range with a bit lower bend point.
The only definitive method of seeing the differences is actual
live testing. Please consult the Titleist Company website for
more fitting and testing options and for more shaft spec info.
Best regards, Mark
Posted in OEM Shaft Models |
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